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When Will George W. Bush Be Tried for His War Crimes?
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Raymond
2011-05-06 03:33:10 UTC
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When Will George W. Bush Be Tried for His War Crimes?
Monday, 21 February 2011 10:56

By Sheldon Richman

We should take a small measure of satisfaction in former President
George W. Bush’s cancellation of his trip to Switzerland after human-
rights groups threatened to bring legal action against him for
authorizing torture. Persons detained by the U.S. government after
9/11 were subjected to what the Bush administration euphemistically
called “enhanced interrogation,” including waterboarding. In reality
those methods constituted torture, violating U.S. law and
international agreements.

Under those agreements charges can be filed against members of the
Bush administration in jurisdictions outside the United States. The
Center for Constitutional Rights along with European groups said they
will ask Swiss authorities to initiate a criminal case against Bush.
They also planned to file their own complaint.

If all that Bush and members of his administration suffer for their
crimes are travel restrictions, it will be a mild penalty indeed.
(Alas, the U.S. government can and probably will obtain immunity for
him.) They deserve far more, starting with a public criminal
investigation in the United States, followed by trials. But President
Obama says there will be no investigation of top officials. Wishing to
“look ahead,” he has decided to treat Bush & Co. as above the law,
embracing Richard Nixon’s maxim, When the president does it, it’s not
illegal. In Germany that used to be known as the Führer Principle.
Many of us naively thought it was repudiated at the Nuremberg trials
after World War II. How wrong we were. The stain that Bush and Obama
have left on America won’t fade anytime soon.

It would have been bad enough to torture people actually suspected of
wrongdoing, but the Bush administration went well beyond that. Many
people subjected to hideous treatment were picked up on the flimsiest
of “evidence.” People were offered bounties to turn others in;
naturally, some saw that as a chance to settle old scores having
nothing to do with terrorism. Absence of evidence (as former Defense
Secretary Donald Rumsfeld might say) was not considered evidence of
absence. In at least one case, a man was tortured — by the U.S.
government’s helper in Egypt, Omar Suleiman — to get the prisoner to
say that Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein had trained al-Qaeda agents.
Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney badly wanted to justify their
preexisting wish to effect regime change in Iraq by tying Saddam to
9/11. But there was never any evidence of Iraqi complicity.

That reminds us that torture was not the only crime committed by the
Bush administration. The Iraq and Afghanistan wars were also (and
still are) outrages because, among other reasons, they were based on
lies. Bush officials, such as Rumsfeld and Secretary of State Colin
Powell, now acknowledge “misstatements,” but that can hardly be taken
seriously. We know that back then grave doubts were expressed over the
quality of the so-called intelligence about Saddam’s alleged weapons
of mass destruction. Rumsfeld’s excuses are pathetic. When he beat the
drums for war, he said he knew where Saddam’s WMDs were. Now he says
he meant he knew the location of “suspected sites.” Did he step out of
Orwell’s 1984?

As many people long have believed, the Bush administration’s defector/
informants were lying, but their American handlers didn’t care. The
one known as Curvevball, Rafid Ahmed Alwan al-Janabi, admits he lied
about Iraq’s biological weapons. “I had the chance to fabricate
something to topple the regime. I and my sons are proud of that....”
Janabi said, according to the Guardian.

Is he proud of the million Iraqis who died, directly and indirectly,
because of the war he helped bring about? How about all the maimed
children? Are Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Powell, and Condoleezza Rice
satisfied that they relied on Janabi? Did they really have no reason
for skepticism about his claims and motives?

Americans are forced to spend billions of dollars on intelligence-
gathering every year. Yet many insiders doubted what the
administration was told about Iraqi WMDs in 2002. So what? Bush & Co.,
hell bent on killing Arabs after 9/11, weren’t interested in evidence
or the lack thereof. They needed a way to scare the American people
into war, and nothing was going to stop them.

Let us hope the retribution against this evil bunch is only just
beginning.

Sheldon Richman is senior fellow at The Future of Freedom Foundation,
author of Tethered Citizens: Time to Repeal the Welfare State, and
editor of The Freeman magazine.
Zor-El of Argo City
2011-05-06 14:08:47 UTC
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When Fidel Castro is.
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-- "When the roll is called in the Senate, the Senators don't know
whether to answer "Present" or "Not Guilty"."-- Theodore Roosevelt
rs-lorenz-rdg
2011-05-12 21:35:39 UTC
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Post by Zor-El of Argo City
When Fidel Castro is.
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-- "When the roll is called in the Senate, the Senators don't know
whether to answer "Present" or "Not Guilty"."--  Theodore Roosevelt  
IF YOU TRY BUSH, you will also have to try Obama. They may be
merciless on partisan issues, but they tend to be approximately close
on terrorism and a lot of foreign policy issues.
Demopublica
2011-06-10 14:49:24 UTC
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Post by Raymond
When Will George W. Bush Be Tried for His War Crimes?
Monday, 21 February 2011 10:56
By Sheldon Richman
We should take a small measure of satisfaction in former President
George W. Bush¹s cancellation of his trip to Switzerland after human-
rights groups threatened to bring legal action against him for
authorizing torture. Persons detained by the U.S. government after
9/11 were subjected to what the Bush administration euphemistically
called ³enhanced interrogation,² including waterboarding. In reality
those methods constituted torture, violating U.S. law and
international agreements.
Under those agreements charges can be filed against members of the
Bush administration in jurisdictions outside the United States. The
Center for Constitutional Rights along with European groups said they
will ask Swiss authorities to initiate a criminal case against Bush.
They also planned to file their own complaint.
If all that Bush and members of his administration suffer for their
crimes are travel restrictions, it will be a mild penalty indeed.
(Alas, the U.S. government can and probably will obtain immunity for
him.) They deserve far more, starting with a public criminal
investigation in the United States, followed by trials. But President
Obama says there will be no investigation of top officials. Wishing to
³look ahead,² he has decided to treat Bush & Co. as above the law,
embracing Richard Nixon¹s maxim, When the president does it, it¹s not
illegal. In Germany that used to be known as the Führer Principle.
Many of us naively thought it was repudiated at the Nuremberg trials
after World War II. How wrong we were. The stain that Bush and Obama
have left on America won¹t fade anytime soon.
It would have been bad enough to torture people actually suspected of
wrongdoing, but the Bush administration went well beyond that. Many
people subjected to hideous treatment were picked up on the flimsiest
of ³evidence.² People were offered bounties to turn others in;
naturally, some saw that as a chance to settle old scores having
nothing to do with terrorism. Absence of evidence (as former Defense
Secretary Donald Rumsfeld might say) was not considered evidence of
absence. In at least one case, a man was tortured ‹ by the U.S.
government¹s helper in Egypt, Omar Suleiman ‹ to get the prisoner to
say that Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein had trained al-Qaeda agents.
Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney badly wanted to justify their
preexisting wish to effect regime change in Iraq by tying Saddam to
9/11. But there was never any evidence of Iraqi complicity.
That reminds us that torture was not the only crime committed by the
Bush administration. The Iraq and Afghanistan wars were also (and
still are) outrages because, among other reasons, they were based on
lies. Bush officials, such as Rumsfeld and Secretary of State Colin
Powell, now acknowledge ³misstatements,² but that can hardly be taken
seriously. We know that back then grave doubts were expressed over the
quality of the so-called intelligence about Saddam¹s alleged weapons
of mass destruction. Rumsfeld¹s excuses are pathetic. When he beat the
drums for war, he said he knew where Saddam¹s WMDs were. Now he says
he meant he knew the location of ³suspected sites.² Did he step out of
Orwell¹s 1984?
As many people long have believed, the Bush administration¹s defector/
informants were lying, but their American handlers didn¹t care. The
one known as Curvevball, Rafid Ahmed Alwan al-Janabi, admits he lied
about Iraq¹s biological weapons. ³I had the chance to fabricate
something to topple the regime. I and my sons are proud of that....²
Janabi said, according to the Guardian.
Is he proud of the million Iraqis who died, directly and indirectly,
because of the war he helped bring about? How about all the maimed
children? Are Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Powell, and Condoleezza Rice
satisfied that they relied on Janabi? Did they really have no reason
for skepticism about his claims and motives?
Americans are forced to spend billions of dollars on intelligence-
gathering every year. Yet many insiders doubted what the
administration was told about Iraqi WMDs in 2002. So what? Bush & Co.,
hell bent on killing Arabs after 9/11, weren¹t interested in evidence
or the lack thereof. They needed a way to scare the American people
into war, and nothing was going to stop them.
Let us hope the retribution against this evil bunch is only just
beginning.
Sheldon Richman is senior fellow at The Future of Freedom Foundation,
author of Tethered Citizens: Time to Repeal the Welfare State, and
editor of The Freeman magazine.
and what was 9/11 , but a "False Flag" to herd the sheeple into the
"Wars for Oil" Power and Israel.???
Post by Raymond
On 9 Jun 2011 21:49:05 -0000, Kulin Remailer
http://world911truth.org/new-poll-48-of-new-yorkers-support-a-new-911-investi
gation-into-building-7s-collapse/
New Poll: 48% of New Yorkers Support a New 9/11 Investigation into Building
7?s Collapse
As the 10th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks approaches quickly, a new Siena
poll shows that half of New Yorkers today are in support of a new probe into
the collapse of World Trade Center Building 7.
The poll shows that 1 in 3 New Yorkers were unaware of Building 7?s collapse
and, despite the importance of the events of that day, only 25% have ever
seen video footage of Building 7 collapsing at free fall. Only 14% could
identify the name of the skyscraper.
Moreover, the poll shows that only 49% who were aware of Building 7?s
collapse believe fires brought it down. 24% believe it was a controlled
demolition, and 23% are unsure.
The poll was conducted in May of 2011 and is sponsored by Remember Building
7 (a group including 9/11 family members), NYC CAN and by Architects and
Engineers for 9/11 Truth (AE911Truth). Four 9/11 family members and four
AE911Truth representatives actually feature in a historic TV ad now being
seen across New York City. The people appearing in the TV ad are asking
people to learn about the collapse of Building 7 and are challenging US
officials at NIST for their conclusions about the event.
To watch the TV ad and learn more about this poll, visit
www.RememberBuilding7.org
Try 911 pilots for truth website for a real flood of
eye opening information, especially on exactly how
and why it's so difficult, if not impossible for novices
to even fly heavy aircraft successfully, to anywhere at
all.
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/
and execute those tight turns. Especially impossible because the
on-board computers would not allow such "G" forces. Remote control was
the only way it could have been pulled off.
Not to mention the "Insider Trading" on said airline's stocks.
We want to know "The Rest of the Story".
In article
Post by Raymond
talk.politics.misc,alt.politics,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.lang.lisp,sci.physic
s
78> Bush and Cheney are traitors and war criminals.
78> Nobody else had the means, motive, or opportunity of Bush and
Cheney.
78> The real perps definitely didn't want ObL to testify in any court.
78> That's why he had to be murdered if he weren't already dead.
78> Bush and Cheney were definitely involved in 9/11.
78> ObL denied involvement.
78> Nobody had the means, motive, or opportunity
78> that Bush and Cheney had.
78> The facts show that 9/11 was an inside job.
78> Nobody else had the means, motive, or
78> opportunity for 9/11 as Bush and Cheney.
How ironic.
and let's not forget the "Insider Trading" done on the airlines involved.
Someone knew their stocks would go down. What happened to the
"investigation"?
--
Karma, What a concept!
Zor-El of Argo City
2011-06-10 16:09:03 UTC
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When Fidel Castro and Mullah Omar do.
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-- Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
mr. smarty pants
2011-06-16 03:59:16 UTC
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Post by Demopublica
In article
Post by Raymond
When Will George W. Bush Be Tried for His War Crimes?
Monday, 21 February 2011 10:56
By Sheldon Richman
We should take a small measure of satisfaction in former President
George W. Bush¹s cancellation of his trip to Switzerland after human-
rights groups threatened to bring legal action against him for
authorizing torture. Persons detained by the U.S. government after
9/11 were subjected to what the Bush administration euphemistically
called ³enhanced interrogation,² including waterboarding. In reality
those methods constituted torture, violating U.S. law and
international agreements.
Under those agreements charges can be filed against members of the
Bush administration in jurisdictions outside the United States. The
Center for Constitutional Rights along with European groups said they
will ask Swiss authorities to initiate a criminal case against Bush.
They also planned to file their own complaint.
If all that Bush and members of his administration suffer for their
crimes are travel restrictions, it will be a mild penalty indeed.
(Alas, the U.S. government can and probably will obtain immunity for
him.) They deserve far more, starting with a public criminal
investigation in the United States, followed by trials. But President
Obama says there will be no investigation of top officials. Wishing to
³look ahead,² he has decided to treat Bush & Co. as above the law,
embracing Richard Nixon¹s maxim, When the president does it, it¹s not
illegal. In Germany that used to be known as the Führer Principle.
Many of us naively thought it was repudiated at the Nuremberg trials
after World War II. How wrong we were. The stain that Bush and Obama
have left on America won¹t fade anytime soon.
It would have been bad enough to torture people actually suspected of
wrongdoing, but the Bush administration went well beyond that. Many
people subjected to hideous treatment were picked up on the flimsiest
of ³evidence.² People were offered bounties to turn others in;
naturally, some saw that as a chance to settle old scores having
nothing to do with terrorism. Absence of evidence (as former Defense
Secretary Donald Rumsfeld might say) was not considered evidence of
absence. In at least one case, a man was tortured ‹ by the U.S.
government¹s helper in Egypt, Omar Suleiman ‹ to get the prisoner to
say that Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein had trained al-Qaeda agents.
Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney badly wanted to justify their
preexisting wish to effect regime change in Iraq by tying Saddam to
9/11. But there was never any evidence of Iraqi complicity.
That reminds us that torture was not the only crime committed by the
Bush administration. The Iraq and Afghanistan wars were also (and
still are) outrages because, among other reasons, they were based on
lies. Bush officials, such as Rumsfeld and Secretary of State Colin
Powell, now acknowledge ³misstatements,² but that can hardly be taken
seriously. We know that back then grave doubts were expressed over the
quality of the so-called intelligence about Saddam¹s alleged weapons
of mass destruction. Rumsfeld¹s excuses are pathetic. When he beat the
drums for war, he said he knew where Saddam¹s WMDs were. Now he says
he meant he knew the location of ³suspected sites.² Did he step out of
Orwell¹s 1984?
As many people long have believed, the Bush administration¹s defector/
informants were lying, but their American handlers didn¹t care. The
one known as Curvevball, Rafid Ahmed Alwan al-Janabi, admits he lied
about Iraq¹s biological weapons. ³I had the chance to fabricate
something to topple the regime. I and my sons are proud of that....²
Janabi said, according to the Guardian.
Is he proud of the million Iraqis who died, directly and indirectly,
because of the war he helped bring about? How about all the maimed
children? Are Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Powell, and Condoleezza Rice
satisfied that they relied on Janabi? Did they really have no reason
for skepticism about his claims and motives?
Americans are forced to spend billions of dollars on intelligence-
gathering every year. Yet many insiders doubted what the
administration was told about Iraqi WMDs in 2002. So what? Bush & Co.,
hell bent on killing Arabs after 9/11, weren¹t interested in evidence
or the lack thereof. They needed a way to scare the American people
into war, and nothing was going to stop them.
Let us hope the retribution against this evil bunch is only just
beginning.
Sheldon Richman is senior fellow at The Future of Freedom Foundation,
author of Tethered Citizens: Time to Repeal the Welfare State, and
editor of The Freeman magazine.
and what was 9/11 , but a "False Flag" to herd the sheeple into the
"Wars for Oil" Power and Israel.???
Post by Raymond
On 9 Jun 2011 21:49:05 -0000, Kulin Remailer
http://world911truth.org/new-poll-48-of-new-yorkers-support-a-new-911-inves
ti
gation-into-building-7s-collapse/
New Poll: 48% of New Yorkers Support a New 9/11 Investigation into Building
7?s Collapse
As the 10th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks approaches quickly, a new Siena
poll shows that half of New Yorkers today are in support of a new probe into
the collapse of World Trade Center Building 7.
The poll shows that 1 in 3 New Yorkers were unaware of Building 7?s collapse
and, despite the importance of the events of that day, only 25% have ever
seen video footage of Building 7 collapsing at free fall. Only 14% could
identify the name of the skyscraper.
Moreover, the poll shows that only 49% who were aware of Building 7?s
collapse believe fires brought it down. 24% believe it was a controlled
demolition, and 23% are unsure.
The poll was conducted in May of 2011 and is sponsored by Remember Building
7 (a group including 9/11 family members), NYC CAN and by Architects and
Engineers for 9/11 Truth (AE911Truth). Four 9/11 family members and four
AE911Truth representatives actually feature in a historic TV ad now being
seen across New York City. The people appearing in the TV ad are asking
people to learn about the collapse of Building 7 and are challenging US
officials at NIST for their conclusions about the event.
To watch the TV ad and learn more about this poll, visit
www.RememberBuilding7.org
Try 911 pilots for truth website for a real flood of
eye opening information, especially on exactly how
and why it's so difficult, if not impossible for novices
to even fly heavy aircraft successfully, to anywhere at
all.
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/
and execute those tight turns. Especially impossible because the
on-board computers would not allow such "G" forces. Remote control was
the only way it could have been pulled off.
Not to mention the "Insider Trading" on said airline's stocks.
We want to know "The Rest of the Story".
In article
Post by Raymond
talk.politics.misc,alt.politics,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.lang.lisp,sci.phys
ic
s
78> Bush and Cheney are traitors and war criminals.
78> Nobody else had the means, motive, or opportunity of Bush and
Cheney.
78> The real perps definitely didn't want ObL to testify in any court.
78> That's why he had to be murdered if he weren't already dead.
78> Bush and Cheney were definitely involved in 9/11.
78> ObL denied involvement.
78> Nobody had the means, motive, or opportunity
78> that Bush and Cheney had.
78> The facts show that 9/11 was an inside job.
78> Nobody else had the means, motive, or
78> opportunity for 9/11 as Bush and Cheney.
How ironic.
and let's not forget the "Insider Trading" done on the airlines involved.
Someone knew their stocks would go down. What happened to the
"investigation"?
and;
Bob Tuskin reports;
The materials submitted to the FBI included references to evidence
contained in the Richard Gage, AIA presentation entitled: ³9/11:
BLUEPRINT FOR TRUTH², in which Gage concludes that the CONTROLLED
DEMOLITION hypothesis can be proved beyond a reasonable shadow of doubt.
Mr. Heinbach was ³grateful² for the information that was submitted on
behalf of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth. Yet, gratitude does
not bring justice.
The reply from the FBI, which in part stated, ³Please be advised that
your observations and concerns have not gone unheededŠ² and that, ³the
FBI is committed to identifying terrorist threats at home and abroad,
using the full force of the law to prosecute theses individuals,² could
leave anyone with a sense of disbelief. And rightly soŠ
The letter was sent more than three years ago and there still has not
been any action or follow-up. This was a major breakthrough for 9/11
justice, that should not go unheeded.
Let¹s push this through to the mainstream and continue to hold the
public servants accountable.
There are couple of very important things to understand about this
letter and what it means to the ³9/11 Truth² movement.
It acknowledges Mr. Gage¹s research as being credible.
This is tremendously significant considering the mainstream media¹s
incessant need to smear any account of 9/11 that doesn¹t conform to the
official account.
It also tells us that an FBI investigation still ongoing!
³The case agents in charge of the investigation will undoubtedly review
all relevant information before making an unbiased decision.²

This was a major breakthrough for 9/11 justice, that should not go
unheeded. Let¹s push this through to the mainstream and continue to hold
the public servants accountable.

http://www.bobtuskin.com/2011/06/15/fbi-911-controlled-demolition-theory-
is-%E2%80%9Cbacked-by-thorough-research-and-analysis-%E2%80%9D/
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Karma, What a concept!
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